Geological Creationism and Fiction

It’s common to hear most geoscientists disparage biblical creationists for their belief in the absolute accuracy of the Old testament, and their rejection of Darwinian evolution. This belief asserts that the Deity created the earth on 4004 BC, or some 6018 years BPE (Before present era). As for the universe, well there’s no mention of that in the Old Testament, so when that was created remains unknown, unless the word ‘world’ includes the ‘universe’.

However modern science believes the earth was created 4.5 billion years ago following a cataclysmic collision that melted the planet and formed the moon, or so an article in The Weekend Australian asserts.

Scientists believe the solar system formed 4.567 billion years ago following the big bang, which took place 13 billion years ago.

The Earth-moon system formed about 60 million years after the solar system when a planet the size of Mars collided with Earth. Some of the material from the Mars-sized planet stuck melted on to the Earth and was then spun off to form the moon.

And

Scientists believe the solar system formed 4.567 billion years ago following the big bang, which took place 13 billion years ago.

Believe?

What’s the difference between a creation 6018 years ago or a creation 4.5 billion years ago?

About 4.5 billion years of time. But matter already existed then, so Creation had to have been earlier, no? According to NASA,

Hubble noted that galaxies outside our own Milky Way were all moving away from us, each at a speed proportional to its distance from us. He quickly realized what this meant that there must have been an instant in time (now known to be about 14 billion years ago) when the entire Universe was contained in a single point in space. The Universe must have been born in this single violent event which came to be known as the “Big Bang.”

Astronomers combine mathematical models with observations to develop workable theories of how the Universe came to be. The mathematical underpinnings of the Big Bang theory include Albert Einstein’s general theory of relativity along with standard theories of fundamental particles. Today NASA spacecraft such as the Hubble Space Telescope and the Spitzer Space Telescope continue Edwin Hubble’s work of measuring the expansion of the Universe. One of the goals has long been to decide whether the Universe will expand forever, or whether it will someday stop, turn around, and collapse in a “Big Crunch?”
Big Bang

A “point” in space is a mathematical abstraction defining a position in 3D Cartesian space. It has no dimensions, length, breadth and depth, hence no volume and hence no mass. It has no physical manifestation and is thus “nothing”. Yet from this nothing God is believed to have created the universe and all in it? (In latin it’s “Creatio ex Nihilo”, creation from nothing).

Many people believe this.

The problem is that if you set up a fiction as the start of “time”, then any theory based on that fiction is also a fiction. Creationism is creationism whether 6000 or 4.5 billion years ago. It’s the difference between literalists and liberalists in an intellectual sense. Both theories are fictions.

What’s the alternative cosmology? Perhaps the idea that life has no beginning and no end, and that it, consciousness, is continuously forming physical reality, with different lifeforms appearing spontaneously when suitable physical conditions allow them to occur. Physical reality is also probably holographic. But don’t confuse the workings of the brain and its product, the ego, with consciousness – they are two quite different things – one is real, the other not.

About Louis Hissink

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4 Responses to Geological Creationism and Fiction

  1. verbewarp says:

    When were the heavens and earth created? And by whom were they created? And, why?

    Are these questions of any importance? Would the answer contribute to socio-economic development or the advancement of the progression / evolution of humanity, that is, life on earth?

    From a proper translation of ancient authority(with European bias and familiarity), we have, from Genesis 1:1:
    “In Principle, Elohim created the heavens and earth.”
    Where there be no certain “beginning” and where “Elohim”, being a plural pronoun, metaphor which is certainly not God, as so later made of mention by Moses in this magnificent work of the metaphysical science of man, unequalled by modern science, today.
    ‘Elohim’, refers to the 3 Principles of the Trinity, in Genesis known as the triple veil of Moses, which make up the Quaternary, and this has been well known since before Rama, Circa, 12,000 BCE. Some brief reading of the earlier Sanscript texts, those of the Brahmin, the Burman, etc, If the ancient Indian works are unacceptable, then numerous Greek* Philosophers from Orpheus, Moses, Pythagoras, Lysis, Synesius, Pelagius, to Plato, et al, and so many numerous philosophers, writers, sages and teachers, they are almost all impossible to inscribe as citations.

    And do not forget the magnificent Sir Francis Bacon who spent his life playing the role of God and like God and Moses, hid behind numerous veils. And then there was an enemy of Napoleon, Fabre d’Olivet the genius grammarian savant of the 16th. Century. And today, we have Pierre Engel with his magnificent revealing insights into the words of the Gods.
    http://www.amazon.fr/Adam-Eve-tentation-Pierre-Engel/dp/B00EUSJ7UW

    [The consensual translations run something like the following: 'The Beginning - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." ] In other words, words designed to sell an ideology.
    What has gone wrong?

    Answer: We chose to believe in the “unreal”. We don’t want to inquire or to penetrate the mysteries. We dumped the Gnostics Circa 300 CE and embraced statism and all its evil and insane ideologies like collectivism, fascism, democracy, bolshevism, communism, economics, institutional religion, politics (a true parasitical disease),.. anything, anything that allows us not to think.
    What has gone wrong I asked? Humanity has chosen to devolve; Humanity has dumped qualitative endeavour, morality and ethics, for quantitative complexity; humanity has chosen the division of reason from the enhancement of reason, accord and the embrace of life itself. Our epoch will be known as the Age of the Cults and murder by consensus and this is being kind.

    What is the point of ideology when a gun needs to be placed at your head for you to believe it?

    Some great philosopher said that Astronomers today should throw away all their theories and return to the basic revolutions known at the time of the Sabeans; read Gerald Massey, A Book of the Beginnings, Vol. I and II

    Ho hum

  2. Luke Marshall says:

    Hit the nail on the head there

    Sent from Samsung tablet

  3. Jerry Ross says:

    “What’s the difference between a creation 6018 years ago or a creation 4.5 billion years ago?”

    Ummmmm, evidence.

    They didn’t just pluck that number out of an old book, they arrived at it by following the best available evidence at our civilization’s disposal. And we say “believe” as this number is subject to change if new and more powerful evidence arrives, something the biblical account lacks. Which doesn’t make it less reliable, instead it makes it more reliable. As a species we’ve discarded all kinds of foolish notions dreamed up my our ancient ancestors to explain phenomena for which they lacked the ability to gather physical evidence: http://controversy.wearscience.com

    Why not stop embarrassing yourself and get on the right side of history for once? At one point there was nothing wrong with thinking that the earth was the center of the universe, as we just didn’t have any better evidence than the naked eye and a limited understanding of the mathematics the guide the cosmos. But at some point the tides of science turned, and believing in geocentrism stopped being a rational position and became a form of madness. Don’t be one of those last holdouts who refused to believe the earth goes around the sun because their bible told them so, well after the evidence had convinced every rational being otherwise. Your religion survived that change in perspective, it can survive this one (and in fact worldwide most Christians have no problem reconciling the established scientific physical age of the universe and their faith). Your religion just needs to evolve a bit, which as we know is the only way for anything to survive generation after generation.

    • So you are a liberal creationist who believes that in the beginning there was nothing which exploded, 13.5 billion years ago. It’s the something from nothing that is the problem, and I’m not a bible believer either. You did read the post didn’t you?

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